[Thomas] ok folks psychic ethics anyone want to
start us off?
[Jackie] hmmm
[Jackie] no takers?
[Natalia] we talked about confidentiality,
responsibility
[Natalia] psychic vampires, emotional states of
both parties
[Natalia] howz tat?
[Thomas] good summary
[Jackie] what is a psychic vampire?
[Thomas] what about questions or comments
relating to the topic?
[Thomas] psychic vampire jackie is a person that
can "suck" energy from you
[Jackie] would that be only if you allow it or can
they do it without your consent?
[Thomas] they can do it to you anytime they want
the key here would be to use protections
[Thomas] and to realize when it is happening and
stop them
[LisaFree] and that leads nicely into our topic tonight of
ethics, because as a psychic you want to make
sure YOU are not doing that to others
[Jackie] like one time when an angry man came
to my door because my dog pooped in his yard
and he stepped on it...I remained calm,
apologized in a soothing voice and he
completely became submissive
[Jackie] he could not steal my energy
[Thomas] who wants to tell jackie some ways
that a psychic vampire can take energy from a
person?
[Jackie] i have upon occasion used white (love)
light directed toward persons
[Thomas] good but use it on yourself as a form of
protection against it Jackie
[Jackie] yes, i often forget to protect myself...it is
a habit...a necessary habit all should strive to do
[Thomas] ok folks anyone here know what
DUMPING is??
[LisaFree] think about the question Thomas has asked, and
then relate that back to psychic ethics
[Thomas] you should protect yourself every day
jackie?
[Jackie] it seems i only do in prayer and once in a
while during the day
[LisaFree] it all really does go hand in hand and it's so very
important in being a good psychic that we
ourselves know the boundaries
[Thomas] no one here knows the answer to the
question i just asked up there?
[Jackie] i do not know
[Natalia] oh sorry Thomas
[Natalia] dumping your energy by means of
direction intention or
[Natalia] by complaining, blaming
[Thomas] good natalia....that is how psychic
vampires work
[Thomas] knowing this...how can we relate it
back to psychic ethics?
[Natalia] if your reading someone who is doing
this...
[Natalia] you don't read them..make a quick
decision not to
[Thu Apr 19 22:20:13 EDT 2007] Lesley
[Thomas] could be but what if they don't start
doing it until half way into the reading
[LisaFree] awwww.. but what about the 'reader', Natalia...
can you as a reader do this?
[Natalia] no Lisa.....that's a no no
[LisaFree] right on!!
[Thu Apr 19 22:21:03 EDT 2007] Lila
[Thomas] thing is you have to be very aware that
it is happening in order to stop it
[LisaFree] can you explain why?
[Natalia] thomas..you end the reading or stop it
like u say
[Thomas] Lila, Lesley talking psychic ethics
tonight~~~
[Natalia] hi lila
[LisaFree] Hello Lesley and Lila... talking about psychic
ethics'
[Lila] great
[Lesely] Hi
[Lila] Hi Natalia!
[LisaFree] oh gosh... here we go again, Thomas!!! lol
[Lila] Hi all!!
[Jackie] hello
[Thomas] you actually could continue with the
reading but use a protection to be sure that there
client doesn’t take too much
[LisaFree] Ok...let's forget about the whole vampire thing
here for a second....
[Jackie] what if the person you are reading is just
being skeptical, can you tell the difference?
[LisaFree] because that takes us into protection and that is
an entirely different chat
[LisaFree] I want to know from you guys what kind of ethics
you would use as a psychic
[Thu Apr 19 22:23:44 EDT 2007] SandyA
[LisaFree] because this is very important once you become
a professional.. and even before
[Natalia] Hi Sandy
[SandyA] Hello folks!
[Thomas] hi Sandy
[LisaFree] Hello boss!! lol
[Lila] Hi Sandy!
[Lesely] Hi Sandy
[Lila] Honesty
[SandyA] Just here to listen in - please continue
Thomas, and everyone....
[LisaFree] go ahead Lila... can you answer my question?
[Thomas] Lisa is right here folks Psychic ethics
are the most important thing here
[Jackie] well, confidentiality is important
[LisaFree] very good, Jackie
[Lila] you have to give an honest answer to all
questions and if you can't read them...let them
know that too.
[Jackie] and what about sensitive information?
[Jackie] excellent lila
[Lila] descression
[Jackie] yes
[Thomas] what about sensitive info Jackie?
should you tell all of what you are getting?
[Jackie] i know of some who ask the reader
outright if their preferences in regards to
sensitive information
[SandyA] An honest answer to the best of your
ability, Lila, but always remember you are not
God, and you are fallible.
[Lila] definitely so
[Thomas] and if you were asked what would you
say??
[SandyA] I believe the information you receive in
a reading is always correct, but your
interpretation is not always correct.
[LisaFree] wonderful point SandyA!!!!
[SandyA] sorry to interrupt Thomas. I'll go back to
quiet now, I promise, lol.
[Lila] it is very important how you give that info
[Natalia] lol
[Thomas] Sandy brings up a good point here
folks!!!
[Jackie] personally, i would say yes as i have no
spider webs in my closets
[Thomas] that would be if you were a client but
what if you were the reader
[Lesely] I would use words that are not hard, can't
say thing like your friend is going to die on
Monday, might say call your friend the day
before
[Thomas] interpretation can be wrong guys as
Sandy said before
[Jackie] do you want to know everything that
presents itself?
[Natalia] i would give them an understanding of
how info comes in for me...explain the process
and tell them you will do your best to interpret
the info...be responsible
[Thomas] good idea but if the client says
no....then would you hold back information that
may come through strongly?
[Jackie] the point is not to try to interpret, but that
is not always easy
[LisaFree] aawww... yes... be responsible... very good,
Natalia..
[Natalia] tu lisa
[Jackie] a symbol can have a multitude of
meanings for various people
[SandyA] no one has answered Thomas'
question about holding back information.....
[Thomas] be responsible for the words that you
use in your interpretations to clients
[SandyA] should you hold things back, folks?
[Lesely] what if you feel something bad is going to
happened to the person your reading how do you
tell them. or do you not tell them
[Natalia] don't force info of them
[SandyA] I think that is what Thomas is getting at
- go for it Lesley!
[Jackie] that is an interesting and perplexing
question
[Thomas] you got it lesley
[Lesely] what if they ask
[SandyA] and one that will come up, Jackie!
[Jackie] since the rate of error is there, i would
say no
[Jackie] well not no, but that information would not
be disclosed
[Jackie] it is a matter between the person and
their creator
[SandyA] Jackie, many years ago I had a repeat
client, a gentleman, who I had a great client
relationship with over a long period.
[SandyA] well, in some of his readings I saw his
wife cheating.
[SandyA] It wasn't the primary topic of the
reading, he wasn't asking about it, I saw him in a
good marriage, so I didn't tell him.
[Jackie] i would have
[SandyA] about a year later he called me and told
me he was divorcing his wife, because she told
him that she really loved him but had betrayed
him.
[SandyA] she was dumb enough to tell him and
ruin a marriage that would have been good
forever.
[SandyA] her cheating had actually just been a
release of tension for the marriage.
[SandyA] and yet, he couldn't live with it, so
divorced her.
[SandyA] when he found out I had seen that, but
never told him, he wanted to know why.
[SandyA] I said I saw no point in hurting him,
when I also saw the 'affair' ending and not
harming him or his family.
[Jackie] hmmm...i disagree with what you did
[Jackie] or rather didn't do
[SandyA] He hated that I withheld the information
from him, even though I wasn't even really sure
it was correct - and I lost a client.
[Jackie] well now there is your escape...you
weren't sure you were correct
[Natalia] he didn't ask, so it's justified
[Lesely] I guess the answer is don't tell unless
they ask and then find the best words to use to
tell them again bad
[SandyA] Jackie - I wasn't sure. It was a minor
point in the reading. If his wife didn't come
forward, he never would have known. I was
afraid of ruining his life.
[SandyA] which got ruined anyway.
[SandyA] so what did I learn?
[Lesely] anything bad I mean
[Natalia] i think you made the right call sandy
[SandyA] I would handle it totally differently today.
[Lesely] I would not have told him that I saw that
before
[SandyA] I have matured as a reader.
[Jackie] someone once told me, and to this day i
am grateful
[Lila] you went with what you thought was right
and was at the time
[Natalia] you would tell them now sandy?????? if
they didn't ask
[SandyA] Each one of you will have to come to
terms with things like this on your own. To tell, or
not to tell - to introduce a fear that you may be
wrong about is a big thing to do.....
[SandyA] but to not introduce it can lead to what
happened to me and that client....and his life.
[Thomas] this is a very important concept when it
comes to ethics here
[Lila] a lot of RESPONSIBILITY
[Jackie] sometimes these things can be related in
a question to the client
[SandyA] by my not telling him he lost an
opportunity to act in the moment and perhaps
change the course of his marriage.
[SandyA] Lila, that is Thomas' point in holding this
chat. Reading is a lot of RESPONSIBILITY.
[Natalia] Sandy.....what if it was one of his
lessons?????????????????
[Jackie] now you have it right, sandy
[LisaFree] being psychic is a lot of responsibility!!!
[SandyA] So, Thomas, go on with the chat - I just
thought I'd give you folks a little meat to chew
on....
[Lila] agreed
[Natalia] Sandy...what if it one if his lessons in life
[Thomas] great story Sandy thank you i think it
really helped them understand
[SandyA] :-)
[Natalia] he picked his wife Sandy
[LisaFree] Gee... Sandy could write the book on Psychic
Development.... oh yeah, she HAS!! LOL
[Thomas] Responsibility folks...is the most
important ethic
[Lesely] I would want to know too if the reader
saw something bad, even if they said I not sure
by I think. that way I could check into it
[Jackie] exactly
[Natalia] question for SANDY
[Thomas] if you can't be totally responsible for
yourself and your actions during a reading then
you can't be responsible for doing a reading
[Jackie] unfortunately some don't really want to
know the truth of things, and you may find that
they want to shoot the messenger
[SandyA] very well said Thomas.
[SandyA] That is also true Jacky.
[Natalia] SANDY............what if it was one of his
lessons in life....picking his wife was his decision
[Jackie] sometimes you have to step outside the
box
[SandyA] True, Natalia. What is your question?
[Natalia] that was
[SandyA] lol.
[Natalia] lol
[LisaFree] mmmmm...lol
[SandyA] Natalia - picking his reader was his
decision too.
[Jackie] all things done in the dark eventually
come into the light
[SandyA] In picking me he chose someone who
was able to 'see' this peripheral issue in his life.
[Natalia] so would u have told him today??
[SandyA] I told you that I have matured as a
reader since then.
[SandyA] Today I would absolutely tell him.
[Natalia] ok thanks...that’s what i wanted to hear
[Lila] how would you tell him?
[Natalia] yea
[Lila] would you sugar coat it?
[SandyA] If I had told him, I would have also been
able to explain to him that I am not God, might
not be right, but he should look into it.
[Jackie] very good
[SandyA] And I would be able to help him to deal
with the shock of it.
[SandyA] and perhaps to work through it.
[LisaFree] Sandy is one of THE very best readers in the
world today... sorry, had to throw that in!!! 'I
know her'...lol
[SandyA] Lila, I wouldn't sugar coat it.
[Thomas] being a reader forces you to be a
counselor of sort at times as well
[Lila] tu
[Jackie] what about someone who may have a
bad illness?
[Natalia] JE told me to keep an eye on my
stomach....it wasn't cancer, but keep an
eye.................
[SandyA] but be wary of using the title counselor
Thomas - that is a title reserved for
psychologists in most states.
[Thomas] same issue Jakie...we aren’t doctors so
we cant diagnose
[Jackie] just advise to have it checked out
[Thomas] very right Sandy..all im saying is that
sometimes when these bad issues come up
you have to help the client through it a bit
[SandyA] And Thomas, it is always a good idea to
say what you get medically, but still advise the
client to have a doctor look at it.
[Jackie] have you ever dealt with someone who
may not be altogether in their right mind?
[Natalia] JE told me to watch my
stomach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Natalia] said it wasn't cancer, but to watch it
[SandyA] (Maybe you're going to get pregnant,
Natalia? lol)
[Natalia] no
[Thomas] lol
[Natalia] lol
[LisaFree] lol
[Natalia] said it was black
[Lila] maybe get to wear a bikini? lol
[Natalia] LOL
[Thomas] LOL
[Thomas] ok Folks any other questions for
Psychic Ethics??
[Jackie] what about confidentiality?
[Natalia] Pregnant not possible Sandy...lol
[SandyA] Thomas, should you read husbands
AND wives.....
[Jackie] you just don't go home and inform your
friends and family of what occurred, right?
[Natalia] yes...confidentiality right...no conflict of
interest there
[Thomas] correct jackie it is total confidentiality
[Jackie] great
[Thomas] good question Sandy
[Thomas] Folks what do you think about Sandy's
question on reading husbands and wives???
[Jackie] what kind of people would be refused a
reading?
[Lila] at the same time or separately?
[SandyA] I sometimes do use my clients 'stories'
as examples, as above - but never names, or
any other identifying features....
[Natalia] gave my answer already thomas
[Jackie] got it, sandy
[Jackie] is it right to refuse a reading, other than
psychic vampires?
[Thomas] good one natalia..dig deeper though
[Jackie] i would say yes, we have free will, right?
[Lesely] would reading husbands and wives go
with the what if you see them breaking up
question
[SandyA] I do read husbands and wives - but I
don't schedule my own readings, so it is easy
for Lisa to make sure they are on different days,
and I don't know they are together.
[Natalia] do not read them back to back
[Thomas] knowing that they are husband and
wife may make it difficult
[SandyA] That's one reason I don't like to read
them together, or to know they are married if I
read them at different times.
[Lesely] that
[LisaFree] knowing too much information before hand can
influence not only the reader but also the reading
[SandyA] I think the only time you should read
them together is if, for example, you are doing
spirit communication - but not for a future
reading.
[Lesely] sound good because you might see
them doing something the other does not like
[SandyA] also, in marriages one partner is always
dominant and so their attitudes will dominate the
readings of both people if you know they are
together....
[Natalia] sometimes info comes in for the husband
or wife anyway
[SandyA] true.
[Lila] energy mixup?
[Thomas] Hey folks! I've gotta jet this sinus thing i
have is kicking my butt tonight
[SandyA] back to Jackie's question - is it alright to
refuse a reading if you feel you don't want to do
that person?
[Jackie] nighty night
[Natalia] nite T...take care
[Natalia] don't read them
[LisaFree] You betcha!
[SandyA] goodnight Thomas - what are we
chatting on next week?
[LisaFree] living with a psychic, Sandy
[Lesely] night Thomas
[Thomas] living with a psychic for next weeks
topic
[LisaFree] not a psychic Sandy...lol.. but you know what I
mean
[SandyA] Awesome!
[SandyA] Take care of yourself Thomas!
[Lila] good one!
[Thomas] sorry folks
[Natalia] yea
[SandyA] feel better.
[LisaFree] thought of that one myself, Lila....lol
[Thomas] thank you
[Lila] LOL
[Natalia] i say don't read them if you do't want to
Sandy
[SandyA] I agree totally Natalia.
[Natalia] be responsible for yourself
[Lila] if something tells you NOT to...DON'T
[Natalia] yes li
[SandyA] If you feel like you don't want to read
someone, there is probably a reason for that.
DON'T do it.
[Lila] there is a reason...
[Natalia] lila....sorry lol
[Jackie] trust the gut
[Lila] lol
[SandyA] I told Lisa recently that if she didn't want
to read someone who wanted a reading - she
should recommend them to another psychic.
[Jackie] hey thats a good one
[Natalia] yes..i agree to that
[Lesely] does that mean bad feeling about
reading someone, might turn the reading wrong
[Lila] me too
[SandyA] Remember, you CAN'T read everyone.
Nor should you.
[SandyA] Lesley, there could be so many
reasons.
[Lesely] ok
[SandyA] It could be the person had a bad day
and their energy would 'rub' you wrong.
[Natalia] spirit is always guiding us....just listen
[SandyA] It could be you unconsciously know you
will have to tell them something you don't want
to.
[Jackie] it could be the reader is just not feeling
up to par too, right?
[SandyA] It could be they are looking for some
way to dump on or use you.
[SandyA] exactly, Jackie.
[SandyA] just trust yourself.
[LisaFree] Just today.. I had someone come in wanting a
reading... she was very emotionally upset... I
asked her to come back tomorrow when her
emotions are more under control
[SandyA] If you look into yourself and that little
voice inside says, 'don't do this reading', then
don't do it!
[Natalia] good job lisa
[SandyA] very good point lisa!
[Lila] prouds of you Lisa!
[LisaFree] :)
[Natalia] :)
[SandyA] Any last questions or comments on this
chat folks?
[SandyA] I think you all did a great job with it....
[Natalia] thanks Sandy for everything
[SandyA] Goodnight everyone!
[Jackie] enjoyed the chat
[LisaFree] thank you for being here, Sandy
[SandyA] Thank you all.
[Lila] Thank you Sandy! Great lessons learned
tonight!
[Lesely] Yeah Thanks Sandy